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Ifyou are noy aware, most if not all vaccines have removed the thimerosol that was in them. If this is what scares you, then you should request thimeroslo free vaccines. The mortality statistics on childhood diseases should definately frighten you.

There is no board policy prohibiting you from posting weblinks to study listings. You have made alot of statements of what you consider to be medical facts. Please back them up with concrete evidence that I can read. If this is for peoples information they should not take anybodies word that what they are saying is true. They should be able to see it in a well designed study, not some web site run by anybody with a computer.
First of all, I am not anti-vaccination, but I don't believe it's fair to leave the parents totally in the dark about the entire role of vaccines and problems that may arise from using them. I feel parents are black balled if they choose otherwise, and I also feel that many doctors turn a blind eye to possible reactions and blame it on anything other than a reaction to the vaccine.
I have a friend who lost her sister within hours of vaccinations....the only thing that ever changed...went into convulsions then a coma, then died. And another whose daughter is mentally retarded after a reaction. The docs REFUSED to even entertain the fact that they could have had an adverse reaction, so I don't think anyone will ever get the whole story, that's why I say they need to do their own research and make an educated decision as to what's best in their situation.
I found some of the sites and am going to e-mail the mods and then will post the ones I get the ok on. Other than that I can't say much because I don't want to break any rules, as I love this board...so I'll post what I can.
I do fully agree on using reputable web sites...I'm not sure on this...so don't quote me...I don't know because I looked at these almost 2 yrs ago, but don't remember seeing any studies where they deliberately didn't vaccinate children and watched to see what happened. Most of it I believe came from researching the numbers from hospitals, pediatricians, medical journals, and various other places to obtain the information. I am a very objective person, and while doing the research I admit that some of them sounded full of it to me..but that's not to say all of them are wrong. I am an intelligent person and having had several medical problems of my own I've had to do my own research to be my own advocate and learned that what is always written does not always tell the whole story.
To read all of the medical journals about my conditions you will NEVER find the ins and outs that I experience every day. The only way I found out what I was really going through was normal was on boards with other people who have it and are living with it in real life, not a text book. The text-books don't always give the full story as they don't always know when it's something they don't experience on a personal level. It's written from a clinical aspect, not always based in real life. Clinical views are only a portion of it.
[QUOTE=sailmaven36]Ifyou are noy aware, most if not all vaccines have removed the thimerosol that was in them. If this is what scares you, then you should request thimeroslo free vaccines. The mortality statistics on childhood diseases should definately frighten you.

There is no board policy prohibiting you from posting weblinks to study listings. You have made alot of statements of what you consider to be medical facts. Please back them up with concrete evidence that I can read. If this is for peoples information they should not take anybodies word that what they are saying is true. They should be able to see it in a well designed study, not some web site run by anybody with a computer.[/QUOTE]


although they are making mercury free vaccines now they are still useing the ones on the shelves with mercury in them.so Our children are still getting Therimersol. I know this becouse my 3 yr old has autism from his vaccines im certain.Yes people do need to be educated about it. People think that just becouse the doctors say vaccinate we should. thats not true. we need to do the math ourselves. the dangers of vaccines outweigh the preventions. IMO.
Yep, I knew we would get at least one conspiracy response. The fact is that most companies had to be forced to continue making vaccine for this very reason. It isn't like the vaccine business is real high profit, which is why for the longest time many of the boutique vaccines (i.e. anthrax and rabies) had to be made by state entities (yes, anthrax is made by a private company now, but that was after it was divested from the state of Michigan... and no I am not starting a discussion on that particular vaccine, simply using it as an example).

Just take a look at the actua data... not what someone filters for you. It is all avaiable on the web... see CDC or WHO. You will see the percipitous fall in incidence for measeles (sp), mumps, rubella, pertussis, diptheria, tetanus, etc. Let us not forget the story of smallpox, a disease that used to kill upto 30% of its victims and disfigure a significant fraction of the remainder... it is now for all intents and purposes extinct (again, not starting a discussion on its fate) in the wild and our children don't have to worry about it... heck we don't even vaccinate against it in the US anymore. In MY independent study and my professional work (no I do not work for a pharma company, governmental body, or hospital... no conflic of interest) I can say that I would rank mass vaccination and modern sanitation as two of the greatest advances of the last century, which have done more to save human life than all of the modern drugs we use now.
"This site is a presentation on the controversy surrounding vaccination. While vaccination has been effective in reducing
the risk of infectious disease all over the world, at times the safety and efficacy of vaccination has been called into
question. This has created a lot of debate, with members of the community divided into pro- and anti-vaccination forces.

"Alan Phillips (a leading figure in the anti-vaccination debate) writes on vaccination risks and alternatives (but never
writes about the benefits!). He has written a report called "Dispelling Vaccination Myths" which is available on the world
wide web (see Links). He attempts to discredit vaccination by revealing the so called "truth" on 10 vaccination "myths".
This site aims to reveal the real truth about vaccination, and rightfully place Alan Phillips' "truths" into the realm of
mythology."


Myth #1: "Vaccination causes significant death and disability ."
Truth #1: "Vaccines are genuinely safe."

Myth #2: "Evidence suggests that vaccination is an unreliable means of preventing disease."
Truth #2: "Vaccines are very effective..."

Myth #3: "It is unclear what impact vaccines had on infectious disease declines which occurred throughout this
century".
Truth #3: "Vaccines are the main reason for low disease rates today".

Myth #4: "Vaccination is not based on sound immunisation theory and practise".
Truth #4: "Vaccination is based on sound immunisation theory and practice".

Myth #5: "Dangers of childhood diseases are greatly exaggerated in order to scare parents into compliance with a
questionable but profitable procedure."
Truth #5: "Childhood diseases are extremely dangerous."

Myth #6: "Vaccines caused substantial increases in polio after years of steady declines, and they are the sole cause of
polio in the US today."
Truth #6: "Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories..."

Myth #7: "The long term adverse effects of vaccinations have been virtually ignored, in spite of strong correlations with
many chronic conditions."
Truth #7: "My child had no short-term reaction to vaccination, there is nothing to worry about."

Myth #8: "Documented safe and effective alternatives to vaccination have been available for decades but suppressed
by the medical establishment"
Truth #8: "Vaccines are the only disease prevention option available..."

Myth #9: "Vaccination is unavoidable"
Truth #9: "Vaccinations can be avoided"

Myth #10: "Public health officials do not always place health above all other concerns."
Truth #10: "Public health officials should always place the health of the general public as their utmost concern."

Conclusion

This site has introduced you to the controversy surrounding vaccination, which you can see is a complicated one. While
your decision whether or not to vaccinate your child is a personal one, you must not forget your responsibility to the
health of your child and the rest of the community. Your decision must be an informed one, and we suggest that you
seek advice from your child's paediatrician and read the literature available. Look for literature with credibility, that which
is from a non-biased point of view and that in which the author has a sound medical background. Also, don't forget to
visit Alan Philip's site.

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