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well i'm new to this discussion but not to the topic. i would like to say that for those who believe vaccinations are completely safe, please do not assume that those who have a great concern over their safety are reading wrong information or being misled by their own intuitions. there is PLENTY of documentation of the FDA's relationship with the pharmaceutical industry and the amazing way drugs, vaccines and other such things are approved at the same time FDA authorities receive stock options or even positions with the company they are supposed to be evaluating and regulating. this is a deadly trend, money in exchange for safety.

i would also like to say that for people who feel that those concerned with the safety of vaccines have been reading "propaganda" regarding the dangers of vaccinations, the same could be said for information coming from those who financially benefit from approval of prescription drugs and vaccinations, so please, keep an open mind. information and research that is documented by doctors and agencies not in any way tied to the industry through grants, employment or any other benefit, financial or otherwise, might actually contain truth.

as stated before, it is essential to keep your head on straight and not take everything at face value. however, i would say there is enough evidence and information available from people and doctors who have personally experienced (either with their own child or patients) negative, dangerous side effects that can not be refuted by drug companies who profit to produce vaccinations and the FDA authorities who profit to approve them, that it should absolutely raise concern.

it is not difficult and is also highly profitable for industry and FDA executives to silence any naysayer with insults of extremism or lack of education or knowledge. we have been trained for decades to take what is handed down from such offices and "authorities" as gospel truth. just as people have been cautioned and encouraged to research and think intelligently and honestly before losing their wits about vaccine safety, the same should be cautioned and encouraged to those who eat the industry reports and information like the bread of life.

do you really think drug companies care about the safety of your children for their own profit? not a chance. it's a twist they call "the greater good" - if vaccines harm thousands of children through irritation, developmental disabilities (i personally have a friend who will be in an electric wheel chair and will also receive government stipends his entire life because a vaccination destroyed his chances of developing normally, which is how my search for knowledge and information began), even death, the industry considers is t worthwhile risk in light of those who MIGHT *potentially* become infected with a disease, virus or bacteria.

i am not 100% against vaccines, however i think it incredibly irresponsible and irrational of the medical community to assault the underdeveloped immune system of an infant, who already is receiving passively aquired immunity if breast fed. and at this point children are receiving a mind blowing number of antigens into their system that they may not ever be at risk for. if vaccinations should be necessary, at least require them at an older age, when the immune, skeletal and cerebral systems are all significantly more developed.

an interesting note is that a panel discussion approval for yet another pertussis vaccination, more than one doctor addressed the issue that antibodies are not even understood for their purpose or action. to assume immunity and protection based on the presence of antibodies after an injection, and to blindly assume the safety of a vaccine because it provokes the presence of antibodies, is incredibly irresponsible. i believe that our children are the test for safety and efficacy of vaccinations, and time will tell if they are safe or effective. i think time is beginning to tell as the number of concerned citizens and parents rises.

another thought that utterly confuses me is the assumption of immunity and safety when vaccines deliberately bypass the first four natural systems of defense: the skin, the mucous membranes, the gut lymphiods and the lymphatic system, depositing antigens directly into the blood stream. i find this particularly foolish and offensive in the case of infants.

finally i think there is significant evidence concerning the correlation between thimerosal and autism. we are told that autism is genetic/hereditary and has been around for generations and centuries. i do believe that we have the highest number of cases of autism today, present in children and adolescents, early teens and adulthood, than any other generation, and the children born in the past ten years have received more vaccinations than any other generation. Also, there is a significant lack in numbers of adults with autism. While there certainly are adults with autism, there is a staggering difference in number of cases between the age groups. Also, there is a clear, significant lack of children (and adults for that matter) with autism in the Amish population. At the time of an article which some or all of you may have read, a journalist travelled to amish communities in search of autistic amish children. theoritically he should have found around 200, and that's a conservative estimate, eliminating generic disorders that are similar to autism. he found three. one was a girl adopted from china who had received a vaccination schedule before she left and the second was one of the few amish children who had been vaccinated after the parents were pressured by public health officials. the third case could not be located. when asked if there were any other cases of autism anywhere in the amish community, the families replied there was no way there would be without them knowing, even though the amish communities are spread all throughout the united states. if you don't believe they could possibly know of every case, watch the movie "the Devil's Playground", a documentary on rumspringa. it becomes very clear how tight the amish community is. families have directories that are regularly updated on every family in the amish community, children's names, ages, location, and family information. i truly believe those families were correct in saying that if there were any other cases of autism in the amish community, they would know about it.

hypothetically, if there are other cases and the families happen to be ashamed or try to keep their family in seclusion (which goes against everything the amish stand for (working and living in community and helping out every person and family) ) it is HIGHLY unlikely that the number of children that SHOULD have been found with autism, if it is not correlated to vaccinations, could have been supressed and hidden from the rest of the community.
diseases come and diseases go. there was no vaccine for scarlet fever, yet it disappeared on its own. the diseases were declining greatly right before the vaccines were introduced. improved sanitation played a role in the reduction of disease. the reason there are so many diseases (which the children often die from) in third world countries is because these children are not healthy to begin with. they are malnourished and they are drinking water which is contaminated with fecal matter.

from the cdc, here are the current number of diseases in the U.S. for 2005.
Rubella 6
Measles 22
Mumps 125
Diptheria 0
Tetanus 10
Pertussis 7,950
Polio 0

The only large outbreaks have been whooping cough, and the problem is mostly that immunity from the vaccine doesn't last very long. i wonder how many of these cases are in the fully vaccinated? my friend's 2 young children, both fully vaccinated, caught pertussis. same with a nurse i know. her 2 fully vaccinated daughters caught it as well. yet the doctor told the nurse that her children didn't have pertussis because "the vaccinated don't get it."

i know lots of unvaccinated children. they're not running around spreading disease. my 2 children are unvaccinated and have not had any diseases, although 1 child may have had chicken pox, but it was very mild. they have never been on antibiotics and they have no physical or mental health issues.

i attribute extended breastfeeding, along with healthy eating, no fruit juice, no white bread, little sugar, no vaccines and exercise to their good health.
when i hear people say that we are being selfish for not getting our children vaccinated, all i have to say is that we all do what's best for our own child. most parents believe the benefits outweigh the risks, so they get their children vaccinated. if they didn't believe it, then they wouldn't get them vaccinated. i'm raising healthy children. i'm saving taxpayers' money because my children don't need meds or hospitalization. how is that selfish?

i would like to know why we're vaccinating against diseases like the flu, chicken pox, mumps and measles. ask any old-timer; they'll tell you they had these diseases and it was no big deal. we're told that approximately 36,000 die every year from the flu. what they don't tell you is that the number is more like 250 because all the other deaths (mainly in the elderly) are from pneumonia. when treating diseases, where parents and sometimes doctors go wrong is that they give the child aspirin or tylenol, which can turn a mild illness into a deadly one. if people knew how to treat these diseases properly, it wouldn't be such a big deal. for instance, measles destroys vitamin a, so if you're already low in it, you could get very sick. supplementation w/vitamin a for measles is important. pertussis in children can be reduced in severity if you use homeopathy or vitamin c supplementation. if you have a good naturopath, they can help your child get through an illness with relative ease.

it's not just the mercury that's the problem with vaccines. they also contain aluminum, which is a neurotoxin, and they contain contain formaldehyde, which has been found to cause cancer in humans. and has anyone checked the VAERS database recently? there are an average of 110 vaccine-related deaths per year in babies age 0 to 1. keep in mind that according to the fda, only 10 percent of doctors actually report vaccine reactions/deaths, so the number could be even higher. i'm so tired of hearing doctors say "it's just a coincidence." how can there be thousands of "coincidences?" vaccines are not properly tested for safety. anyone remember how the government defended a dangerous pertussis vaccine for more than a decade before switching to a safer version? i've met several mothers whose children have had immediate reactions to the vaccines. reactions are more common than we're led to believe.

re thimerosal (mercury) anyone with all pistons firing knows that injecting mercury into babies and children is stupid. 6-month-old children who were administered the shots on schedule suffered mercury exposures 87 times the government safety standards. autism has gone from 1 in 10,000 in the 80's to 1 in 166 in 2005. to say it's purely genetic is ridiculous. there's no such thing as a genetic epidemic. and the increase is not due to better diagnosis. ask any special ed teacher who's been teaching for at least 10 years. they will tell you they've seen a huge increase in children w/adhd, learning disabilities, autism and aspergers (1 in 6 children) mercury is known to cause these problems. some children simply cannot excrete mercury properly. i hear the same story over and over again. the child was developing normally, meeting all his milestones, then around a year and a half, the child gets vaccinated and gets a high fever, becomes listless and screams for hours. a few days or a couple weeks later, the child stops talking, loses eye contact, is always sick, etc. i guess it's just another "coincidence."

i had to laugh when the cdc (i believe) said they were removing the mercury from the vaccines to make "a safe vaccine even safer." if it's already safe, then why did they remove the mercury? well, they almost removed the mercury. Some Flu, Tetanus, DT and Meningococcal still contain it. always ask to see the inserts.

it's strange how china and africa had a very low incidence of autism, that is until the U.S. recently started shipping vaccines with the full amount of mercury in them. now they've got millions of cases of autism.

be sure to check out this recent article: New Autism Cases Level Off in State, Data Show. Some say the slowdown may be linked to the removal of mercury from infants' vaccines.

oh, re the denmark study;

if the cdc wants everyone to get vaccinated, then they need to make safer vaccines. i spoke to a mother who told me that when she took her child to the er, the nurse told her she had seen a lot of kids with post-vaccinal problems.

has anyone noticed how sick the kids of today are? asthma and diabetes have skyrocketed. arthritis in children used to be virtually unheard of. now more and more children are being diagnosed with it. my friend's child has it. vaccines may be wiping out diseases, but they may also be creating new ones.

i encourage everyone to read Fouad Yazbak's Speech online.

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