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I was in the same boat. I had vaccinated my son for the first go round, then around four months, I had this ovewhelming fear of something going wrong and couldn't pin it down. I did some serious soul searching and chose not to vaccinate him. I did so much research that it wasn't even funny....two weeks straight, glued to the internet, trying to decide. I didn't have this problem with my first, I was ignorrant to the problem, some days I almost wish that was still true, because the choice is hard, almost impossible at times.
You need to do what you feel is right, but either choice is scary. I have fears all the time that I didn't do what was right, yet have this gut feeling, the other option would have proved deadly for my son. I plan on doing his vaccinations when he turns two and the brain is more protected from the vaccination. You can also track the batch number that the vaccine comes out of, not sure of the place that does it, but you can get the batch number from your pediatrician and have it checked. It will tell you if that batch had more than average problems....some comfort, but not much.
From what I understand about thimerosol, it's dangerous because it's got a cumulative effect, and also has a range of (this is just an idea, not an actual figure, as I don't remember it) 1 to 10 parts per million, lets say your baby gets all the shots from a batch on the high end, the body stores it and hasn't had a chance to brake any of it down, and your child has a tendancy toward a certain illness or has an allergic type reaction....viola, vaccine reaction.
I do believe you should speak to your pediatrician as long as they are open minded. Mine was awesome. She is pro-vaccine, but is pro-mom as well. She helped me do much of my research, never pushed, gave me all the facts that she knew on her end, which did include death, autism, seizure, etc....but also told me what the opposite could be. They both have their risks, but need to be weighed carefully. You'll also carry the extra burden of having to make sure your child has a great, strong, immune system and keep them out of places that are high risk for these types of diseases. Most will make it out just fine, either way you choose, but it's in your child's best interest to keep the immune system strong.
There are very few herbs I advocate using for children because of proven safety... it doesn't mean they're not safe, but no one dares test them and those that have used them don't speak out because of fear of ridicule. It makes it tough. You should get a pediatric herb book, research it and if you have any doubts and don't find the answer you're looking for, bypass it...better safe than sorry. I use acidophylus (sp?) and beta-glucan for my baby, occasionally echinacea...but skip the golden seal because of possible safety issues. With my 9 yr old I use olive leaf and oil of oregano in a gel cap when he's getting sick. But you need to research proper doses and be dilligent in where you get your herbs, brand name, etc. to make sure they are at a standardized dose, meaning, a certain level is maintained and doesn't fluctuate much, some flucuate terribly.
You'll find your answer, just keep looking, talk to his doc, if they're no help, find one who is at least open to speaking to you about it, without putting you down and go from there. Just as a precaution, I try to keep my son out of high traffic areas during busy times and take anti-bacterial wipes with me everywhere......especially the grocery cart....chicken pox, cold, flu, rota-virus, fifths disease, etc....some sound scary, they aren't that bad, just miserable. Good luck to you, you are not a bad mom, you're a typical mom.
You never know true fear until you have children!!! Welcome to motherhood.
Just to clarify - I am pro-vaccination. I am up-to-date on all my shots, and even though I don't have any kids, if I did I would make sure they get all their shots.

The risk of an adverse reaction (type 1 hypersensitivity) is quite low. Usually if the patient is getting a certain shot for the first time (first flu shot, or first battery of vaccinations), I usually insist that the patient stay in the office for 15 minutes for observation (any anaphylatic reaction will most likely occur during this time period). In terms of vaccination causing Autism, I have yet to see any concrete evidence. The original report linking Autism and MMR vaccine came from a small study (small sample size) asking parents of autistic kids when they first noticed that something was wrong. Subsequent studies (larger sample size) have failed to reproduce the same results. Last year, the original researcher, Andrew Wakefield, published in the journal Lancet that there is no link. That is how scientific research works. Peer-review journals and repeatable work. I like to practice evidence-based medicine as much as possible, and I also have a background in scientific research, so I feel totally comfortable telling concern parents that there is no link between Autism and vaccination

For more information you can look up these studies:
Taylor B et al, Autism and measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine: no epidemiological evidence for a causal association. The Lancet 1999; 353:2026-29

Hviid A et al, Association Between Thimerosal-Containing Vaccine and Autism. JAMA 2003;290:1763-1766

Wakefield AJ et al. lleal-lymphoid- nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children. Lancet 1998;351:637-41.

That last reference is to the original article where Wakefield claim that there is a link.

There are other factors too that I usually don't have time to convey to parents. You have to remember a little history. A generation or two ago, kids with autisms were not generally seen in public. Some were sent to Mental Institutions (and the family never discussed it afterwards). Epidemiological records of the numbers of autism (or down syndrome or fragile x) weren't well recorded (if recorded at all). To claim a higher rate of autism now compare to previous generation is a little misleading.

Polio is a devastating disease. There is no cure for it. No amount of herbal supplements or vitamin C can help. Rubella (german measles) is generally a mild illness. But if you are pregnant and get rubella, it can frequently cause complications, such as miscarriages, stillbirth, or congenital rubella syndrome (CRS). In 1964, a Rubella pandemic caused over 12 million infections, resulting in 11,000 fetal losses, and 20,000 cases of CRS in infants (common symptoms of CRS include hearing loss, developmental delays, growth retardation, cardiac and ocular defects). (source: Orenstein WA, Bart KJ, Hinman AR, et al. The opportunity and obligation to eliminate rubella from the United States. JAMA 1984;251:1988-1994. )

The vaccine was made available in 1969 (also around the time when mandatory childhood vaccination started). Since then, there has been no rubella epidemic. Incidence of Rubella in the US is estimated at 0.1/100,000 population (192 cases). (source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Rubella and congenital rubella syndrome_United States, January 1, 1991-May 7, 1994. MMWR 1994;43:391, 397-401.)

Anyway, my $0.02. I'm tired and sleepy :)

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