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I was in the same boat. I had vaccinated my son for the first go round, then around four months, I had this ovewhelming fear of something going wrong and couldn't pin it down. I did some serious soul searching and chose not to vaccinate him. I did so much research that it wasn't even funny....two weeks straight, glued to the internet, trying to decide. I didn't have this problem with my first, I was ignorrant to the problem, some days I almost wish that was still true, because the choice is hard, almost impossible at times.
You need to do what you feel is right, but either choice is scary. I have fears all the time that I didn't do what was right, yet have this gut feeling, the other option would have proved deadly for my son. I plan on doing his vaccinations when he turns two and the brain is more protected from the vaccination. You can also track the batch number that the vaccine comes out of, not sure of the place that does it, but you can get the batch number from your pediatrician and have it checked. It will tell you if that batch had more than average problems....some comfort, but not much.
From what I understand about thimerosol, it's dangerous because it's got a cumulative effect, and also has a range of (this is just an idea, not an actual figure, as I don't remember it) 1 to 10 parts per million, lets say your baby gets all the shots from a batch on the high end, the body stores it and hasn't had a chance to brake any of it down, and your child has a tendancy toward a certain illness or has an allergic type reaction....viola, vaccine reaction.
I do believe you should speak to your pediatrician as long as they are open minded. Mine was awesome. She is pro-vaccine, but is pro-mom as well. She helped me do much of my research, never pushed, gave me all the facts that she knew on her end, which did include death, autism, seizure, etc....but also told me what the opposite could be. They both have their risks, but need to be weighed carefully. You'll also carry the extra burden of having to make sure your child has a great, strong, immune system and keep them out of places that are high risk for these types of diseases. Most will make it out just fine, either way you choose, but it's in your child's best interest to keep the immune system strong.
There are very few herbs I advocate using for children because of proven safety... it doesn't mean they're not safe, but no one dares test them and those that have used them don't speak out because of fear of ridicule. It makes it tough. You should get a pediatric herb book, research it and if you have any doubts and don't find the answer you're looking for, bypass it...better safe than sorry. I use acidophylus (sp?) and beta-glucan for my baby, occasionally echinacea...but skip the golden seal because of possible safety issues. With my 9 yr old I use olive leaf and oil of oregano in a gel cap when he's getting sick. But you need to research proper doses and be dilligent in where you get your herbs, brand name, etc. to make sure they are at a standardized dose, meaning, a certain level is maintained and doesn't fluctuate much, some flucuate terribly.
You'll find your answer, just keep looking, talk to his doc, if they're no help, find one who is at least open to speaking to you about it, without putting you down and go from there. Just as a precaution, I try to keep my son out of high traffic areas during busy times and take anti-bacterial wipes with me everywhere......especially the grocery cart....chicken pox, cold, flu, rota-virus, fifths disease, etc....some sound scary, they aren't that bad, just miserable. Good luck to you, you are not a bad mom, you're a typical mom.
You never know true fear until you have children!!! Welcome to motherhood.
Hi everyone! I had my firstborn vaccinated right on time from the time she was born but when my second child came along 5 years later and was born with mild problems, I decided to wait to vaccinate.
I went against my pediatricians advice and did not start any of the shots until she was almost a year old. I knew that by that time her central nervous system and her immune system would be more mature and better able to deal with the vaccinations.
As I said, I had to fight with her pediatrician every month about this but I felt strongly that with this child, we needed to wait. She is all grown up now, no after effects from either earlier problems or the vaccinations so I'm not sure that I did the right thing but I've learned as a parent to follow my instincts. I went on to have 2 more kids and with both of them I waited til they were 6 months old to start the shots.
We moms have strong instincts regarding our kids and I know that if I personally don't follow mine I've usually been sorry! Good luck!
[QUOTE=mom_of_five]I think this is false " Andrew Wakefield, published in the journal Lancet that there is no link."

Do you have a link to Wakefield stating this? From what I have read, he stands by his studies and conclusions, it is however his co-authors who have backpedaled due to fear of blackballing (as they witnessed what happened to Wakefield) and therefore reacanted.[/QUOTE]

Yep - you are correct (and I was wrong). It wasn't Wakefield but one of his co-authors from the original article

Murch S. Separating inflammation from speculation in autism. Lancet 2003;362:1498-9

He still stands by his claim that IBD (or associated GI related diseases) plays a part in causing autism. However, Dr. Murch no longer believes that MMR plays a role in autism.

In reference to malpractice:

Do I recommend MMR for fear of malpractice? NO. I recommend MMR because I believe it is the best thing for the kids (except for kids with immunodeficiency such as SCIDS or AIDS). Giving MMR is still the standard of care and if I were to recommend not getting the MMR (and the child later gets an infection), I am liable.

As for why I might get sued for malpractice if the parent chooses not to vaccinate (and the child gets meningitis from Hemophilus influenza or any other diseases prevented by vaccination). Remember, we live in a very lawsuit-happy society and unfortunately, in a society where a lot of people do not take responsibility for their actions.

If a child gets extremely sick or dies, a lawyer might convince the family to sue. Whether or not their lawsuit is successful (the fact that the parents asked not to be vaccinated is a factor for the jury to decide), I still have to pay for lawyers and also time away from work (for deposition, court, etc). It also has a psychological impact (stress, wondering if I did the right thing, what would happen if I lost the case, etc).

Do I know of a case where this happened? NO (fortunately). But it could happen and i've seen juries award money for more benign things.

Anyway, disclaimer. My posts in this thread for the most part represent my belief. Questions and concerns about vaccination (risk, benefits, etc) should be referred to your physician who knows you, and knows your medical and social history (since everyone is unique). Never trust information posted by anonymous posters on internet boards (so therefore, take what I posted with a grain of salt)

OK ... it's been a long day and I'm tired ... and since I'm responsible for taking this thread on a tangent, I'll probably stop posting in this thread (probably). To the original poster, I do apologize for the tangent.
Imagine that, I forgot a few things. One thing I forgot was the feeling that we as parents are often dismissed when we are concerned about a reaction. The docs may just brush us off and say it's normal or it's not in any way related to the vaccine. This is one thing that concerns me. I dont' feel that it's a well thought response. It makes me wonder how many vaccine reactions there may be, but how many are dismissed? Not that they're completely avoidable, but in my mind, if they really paid attention to them and tracked them, they may find a corralation, previously unknown and would allow for them to make adjustments to head off future reactions.

Many times I've heard, that's normal. What is not understood, is it may be normal in many ways, but not normal for my child. I've encountered that with docs of all specialties. I know that in my experience w/ dog/wolf rescue I can remove myself emotionally from the situation where I have to tell someone they have to euthanize their animal because it's a threat/danger. They are in tears and I'm sitting there thinking..."Don't they know what this animal could do to their child's face??? Is it worth it???" Much like many med pros see it all the time and sometimes, it is forgotten that we are people with feelings, fears, etc. We didn't have the same training, nor the same everyday life experiences that you do, to draw strenght, faith, conclusions, whatever from. We are like the idiots with the rabid dog, thinking with our emotions because we don't have the knowledge to think otherwise. Therefore, that leaves it to emotion.

Also, have you seen or are you aware of a study where they focus on the whole circle? It seems to me (as we all know, not what it probably is in real terms) that most of the focus is on the positive and we are treated like, "It's got more positive than negative, so don't worry. We don't" To a layman, that sounds like they just want to stick their heads in the sand. The studies that I've read seem to focus almost solely on what they want to convey and only glean over the other aspects of it. Is there an honestly, subjective study that would give all the answers, whether or not they are what anyone wants to know? Another thing that would be helpful is actual numbers, not just percentages that don't mean much to those not in the know. I never thought about it until you brought it up....your way of putting the calculated risks. The numbers don't tell the whole story. I don't know exactly how you put it, but showed how the small number of non-vaccinated getting sick is actually higher percentage wise because of the amount of numbers vaccinated. It's not put in understandable terms. We need to be able to ask the questions that we don't understand.

I won't pretend to understand all the medical jargon, but I grasp enough to know I need to keep asking questions....the hard part is finding someone who understands it that will explain it in a way I understand and keeping it neutral. Just explaining the facts, not their personal feelings behind it. I just want to know what it all means, that's all.

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