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[I][........just a question...I have a feeling you were on this board under a different name not too long ago...that person has since disappeared. If it is you, I can see why the threads went the way they did, because of the profession, but if this is you, this "persona" is much better suited.[/I]


Hi Angel!
I haven't been around for awhile. This is the first time I have been on the board for a long time so I got a chuckle out of your post. I belive you were talking about me. And I do agree that Group theory has done an excellent job. You are also correct that my profession is why I belive so strongly the way I do. I see vaccinations from a different angle. I treat the geriatric patients who have been living with the results of these diseases for most of their lives. I told a wonderful woman yesterday about these discussions and she became quite agitated at the possibility of people not vaccinating their children. She lives with post polio syndrome, and every day since she was a child she transfers from her bed to her wheelchair and back again. She has a large amount of pain from the joint contractures.

As far as Wakefield is concerned. His study has been mostly discredited. It was based on just 12 Autisic children. ANd no other researcher has been able to reproduce his findings. Furthermore, in a subsequent study by him, it was determined that waht he was seeing was not actually meeasles in the gut.


thats my 2 cents

have a nice day



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do not register with a healthcare professional title, or reveal or display your current or future healthcare profession, in any way (including saying you have patients). The boards are to be used for PEER support only. Healthcare titles lend undue weight to what is to be only your opinion. Members may share health opinions and advice as PEERS.[/B]
My son had all his 2 month shots. DTP, HIB, Polio and PCV I think were the shots he was given. It's been such a long time since the shots were given, and I have a bunch of his stuff including his vaccination reconds in that box. The box is in a closet very high up and I can't get to it with out my hubby and right now is not the time to bring up to him to bring the box down and make him remember and relive a very bad time in our lives. We live with this everyday, as time has passed is has gottin easier to deal with. We spend our time taking care of the other kids and try to forget that horrible day, which btw is not very easy. My hubby never really spoke about the whole thing, He kind of keep to himself on the most part and dealt with me and trying to keep me from completely going off the deep end. To this day if I bring up my son and started speaking about him, DH will listen and not say anything, but the look on his face says a million words. The last time I had my DH bring the box down with all my sons stuff in it, he was really down for several days, he was very hard to cheer up. With this baby on the way, it is not the time to dredge up bad memories, if you know what I mean.

Nyxin, this is the hardest choice to make. Only YOU and your DH can make the choice to vaccinate or not.

All I can tell you, is go with what your heart and gut feeling tells you. I personally wish I would have listened to mine 10 yrs ago. Don't get me wrong, I never had a bad feeling or bad gut feeling about vaccinating my daughter, like I did with my son. But for me and DH we just can't go though that again. That is our choice and noone can make the decision for us. You can get all the advice and opinions you want, but when it come right down to it, It is your choice, and a tough one at that.

I don't vaccinate my kids, but I get alot of crap from people who believe that I should. Which make my decision even harder at times. I have people and Dr.'s on my butt all the time, saying "you should vaccinate your kids... you are going to harm your kids if you don't... what happens if they get this or that all b/c you don't vaccinate?, you could be preventing that...you are a bad parent...you don't deserve to have children if you don't take care of them with vaccinations!" and things like that I hear all the time from people who know we dont vaccinate. This is one of the toughest decisions we (dh and I)have to make, and I have to hold my ground and listen to that stuff. I have gottin to a point were I don't tell people (in person) that we don't vaccinate, I don't need any more people on my butt about it. Be prepared IF you decide not to vaccinate, you will more then likely hear from alot of people who believe that you should and they will do everything they can including make you feel guilty and a bad parent for the choice you make. I have never dealt with a person that didn't vaccinate there kids or at least didn't admit that they didn't vaccinate.

Good luck with what ever you choose. I hope what ever decision you choose works out great for you and your child/ren.
Thank you Angel,

I have told people, and explained that I had a horrible gut feeling about doing it, and that the end result was him dieing. I still have had people say to me "Can you PROVE it was the shots that made him die?" Which I can't prove anything. Then they still have harped on me about not vaccinating. Then they don't understand why I get defensive and then tell then "it is my decision and I am doing what I think is best for my children, DH and I". People can be very cruel if you don't think and do like they do. For me, now, it's easier not to tell people unless it's the school or my kids Dr.

It's very difficult dealing with the loss of my son. I have lost alot of friends b/c of it, They didn't want to hear about my loss and how hard of a time I was having. I found the only I have to talk about it with is my ex hubby, DH, my parent, and a friend I met 7 yrs ago. But even then I try not to talk about it much with these people. My Dh and ex hubby were the ones who really stood by my though that whole ordeal. My dad was pretty support but gives me crap about not vaccinating. My mom was not supportive at all, she was and always has been quite cruel. My mom was in Vegas when my son died, she stay there a week, when she got back and saw me, the first thing she said was "Maybe the reason he die was cuz he didn't like his name!" BTW she never like that name I choose for him. The 2nd thing she said was " Maybe he died cuz you weren't a good enough mother!". So needless to say I don't like to speak about that whole ordeal with her. And my friend I have known for 7 yrs, she is get and supportive. I mostly keep to myself about my son and his death, I think about him all the time, and wonder what if... I can't change that past, but I try to deal with everything and enjoy the 2 children I have that are alive.

I was very hesitate to tell my story here, I was quite scared I would hear from people that would shun me, like they do when I tell them in person. I kept going into tears when I wrote what had happened to him. I don't talk about it much, but I relive what happened and what I saw that day he died, everyday in my head.

Thank you for all your kind words.
Bren,
I'm so sorry about your loss, your story is truley heart breaking. I understand about not vaxxing your kids. I had a perfectly normal child who was developing above normal and just before his second birthday he received the mmr, dpt, polio, hep-b, and hib all in one day! He regressed rapidly over a few days and was never the same since. He's almost 8 years old now and lives with the diagnosis of autism, even though his mercury levels tested high.....I really know he's heavy metal toxic and not autistic. I stopped vaxxing him after that day and most people agree with my decision based on knowing my son before when he was normal. I recently had a baby who is 4 weeks old and I wont vax him. I am now having people trying to question me like you about "can I prove it" that my son is vaxxing damaged. And that I should vax my new baby because my next baby might not have a reaction. But I am not willing to take that risk.

[QUOTE=bren7]Thank you Angel,

I have told people, and explained that I had a horrible gut feeling about doing it, and that the end result was him dieing. I still have had people say to me "Can you PROVE it was the shots that made him die?" Which I can't prove anything. Then they still have harped on me about not vaccinating. Then they don't understand why I get defensive and then tell then "it is my decision and I am doing what I think is best for my children, DH and I". People can be very cruel if you don't think and do like they do. For me, now, it's easier not to tell people unless it's the school or my kids Dr.

It's very difficult dealing with the loss of my son. I have lost alot of friends b/c of it, They didn't want to hear about my loss and how hard of a time I was having. I found the only I have to talk about it with is my ex hubby, DH, my parent, and a friend I met 7 yrs ago. But even then I try not to talk about it much with these people. My Dh and ex hubby were the ones who really stood by my though that whole ordeal. My dad was pretty support but gives me crap about not vaccinating. My mom was not supportive at all, she was and always has been quite cruel. My mom was in Vegas when my son died, she stay there a week, when she got back and saw me, the first thing she said was "Maybe the reason he die was cuz he didn't like his name!" BTW she never like that name I choose for him. The 2nd thing she said was " Maybe he died cuz you weren't a good enough mother!". So needless to say I don't like to speak about that whole ordeal with her. And my friend I have known for 7 yrs, she is get and supportive. I mostly keep to myself about my son and his death, I think about him all the time, and wonder what if... I can't change that past, but I try to deal with everything and enjoy the 2 children I have that are alive.

I was very hesitate to tell my story here, I was quite scared I would hear from people that would shun me, like they do when I tell them in person. I kept going into tears when I wrote what had happened to him. I don't talk about it much, but I relive what happened and what I saw that day he died, everyday in my head.

Thank you for all your kind words.[/QUOTE]





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