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Apologies but not sure where to post this but believe that it may have been an adverse reaction to something in the flu vaccine. I am a 25 year old male and would appreciate any help or comments with this problem.
Never had any particular health problems before.

Nov 2002 – Became extremely unwell after having a flu vaccine (to which I didn’t produce any antibodies). After a seven day gap of feeling extremely tired and spaced out I began to suffer from severe rigors, nausea and vomiting (felt like an extreme version of flu) and had the most appalling black circles around my eyes. These symptoms continued for 6 months before I felt well enough to be able to return to work.

During the last eighteen months I have continued to work 70+ hours a week and while improving I have continued to have reoccurring periods of symptoms as described above. As well as always having dark circles around my eyes the symptoms tend to follow a pattern as follows (lasting, at present, 24-48h):
Painful neck and feeling of light headedness (eyes look very ill)
Nausea
Slightly elevated temperature
Chills (rigors)
Exhaustion and return to normality

These symptoms have gradually become more sporadic and less severe as time has progressed and between episodes I am able to do considerable exercise (e.g. mountain climbing). I can find no specific correlation between anything I do / eat and these episodes except a distinct increase in the likelihood of them occurring following a period of rest (e.g. a “lazy day”) and the possibility of easing symptoms through exercise. I have consulted numerous doctors about the condition and while all are in agreement that I am (esp. at times) extremely unwell they have yet to find anything specifically wrong. I would really appreciate anybody’s thoughts on the matter as I doubt my situation is wholly unique.

Many thanks


James
Sorry to hear about your reaction, but can't say I'm surprised. I would encourage you to file a vaccine injury report through NVICP. Also, you might wish to explore "mercury toxicity" to see if any of those symptoms sound familiar, as the flu shot contains mercury and this could be a problem, especially if you eat a lot of fish or have silver fillings in your mouth.

I guess it goes without saying to NEVER have ANY vaccine again in your life. To do so would be exceedingly risky, IMO.

kiki
My sister had a very similar reaction to the flu vaccine.

Kiki is right when she says not to have the vaccine again. I am sure that wherever you got vaccinated probably told you that. They usually do tell you that if you have a bad reaction to it to never take it again.
James,


Did you see what they injected with that vaccine???

Mercury, Formaldehyde, Antifreeze, Aluminum, growth hormones, and check out what vaccines are grown in.

Do a search on vaccines and ingredients.

I am so sorry that you are having a severe reaction. I do hope you report it. Unfortunately if it were your child, let's say an 18 or 20 months old, he would not be able to tell you about such a reaction and yet, he would be suffering continuously.

Parents inject into their kids and then get angry when the kids are fussy and constantly crying. Is it any wonder?

Please get informed before you do any more injecting. We have enough young men in the military that are vaccine damaged.
I just came on this board and was reading through all the threads.

Just wondering, how are you doing?
i have had the flu vaccine for the last 3 years and never experienced any side effects. my doctor told me that as long as i am not allergic to eggs, i will be fine (because they culture the vaccine in egg shells.)
[u]From the CDC :[/u]

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/news/iom-hepb-5-2002/iom-QA.htm


“Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) also results from a loss of myelin. The disorder causes temporary loss of body movement and sensation, usually starting at in the lower parts of the body and moving upwards. Most people who experience GBS recover within 6 to 9 months.

[b]Certain vaccines, such as influenza (flu) vaccine, have been linked to an increased risk for GBS. “[/b]
Well I did read an artical today one of those write in aritcals that are national people write in our paper just so happens to print them.

Dr. Donahue is his name. And he said there is no way you can get the flu from the flu vaccine since the virsus that is in there is 100% "dead as a dodo" was his words. He said you can get red and sore/swollen and that you can get sick but it doesnt mean its the flu.
[QUOTE=Piranna65]Well I did read an artical today one of those write in aritcals that are national people write in our paper just so happens to print them.

Dr. Donahue is his name. And he said there is no way you can get the flu from the flu vaccine since the virsus that is in there is 100% "dead as a dodo" was his words. He said you can get red and sore/swollen and that you can get sick but it doesnt mean its the flu.[/QUOTE]

That Dr. Donahue wasn't real smart.

Since viruses are not 'alive' they also can't be 'dead'.

Was he a 'whole' doctor or only 'half' a doctor?
how arent they "alive" you dispose of them somehow right. Something "kills and destroys" them right"

You dont get the flu from getting the flu shot itself. You can still end up getting the flu even with it. but the shot itself doesnt make you sick. Yeah you'll have side-effects, some wont.
Go to the pharmacy or your doctor and get a patient/doctor insert pamphlet and read it.

I am sure if you can't get the flu from the shot they won't say on that paper that you can. But if they say that you can get the exact symptoms from the shot, then I would say you can get the flu from the vaccine.

No, a virus is not a live thing. It can not reproduce with another virus. It can not feed and defecate.
Well i wont get the shot anyway waste of money and time. i was just responding to the poster who had concern. So when the doc. column mentioned the info. I posted it.


goodluck
hello,
this is in reference to the question about how a virus can be "dead". you were correct in saying that viruses do not reproduce with other viruses. they do so by taking over the host's machinery and using it to replicate themselves. the process is complicated and difficult to explain quickly to someone who has no knowledge of it. however, i will be glad to explain if anyone wants me to.

as far as how viruses can be "dead" .... a virus can be made "dead" for the purpose of making a vaccine. this is done by treating it with formaldehyde so that it can't infect the host's cell while still retaining some of its unaltered epitopes. this is why your doctor may have told you that the virus was "dead as a dodo". in this state it is impossible for it to infect you.

viruses can also we weakened so that they are no longer harmful. in this state they are called "attenuated".

some vaccines don't use whole viruses. they just use viral parts.


i hope this clears up some of the confusion.
dear 1970 torch,

just one more quick thought in response to what you said in your last post. i quote you:
"I am sure if you can't get the flu from the shot they won't say on that paper that you can. But if they say that you can get the exact symptoms from the shot, then I would say you can get the flu from the vaccine."

this makes no sense. just because you have some flu-like symptoms doesn't mean that you have the flu. as an example: the primary symptoms of viral meningitis are headache and high fever. gee, those are symptoms that are associated with other diseases too. like say the flu? but viral meningitis isn't the flu, is it? and its gravity can't be compared to that of the flu, can it?

my point is that just because you have some symptoms of the flu doesn't mean that you have the flu.
thank you nasta. I totally agree. Here's another example how about being pregnant?? and not know it at the time?

thanks for clearing it up for us
you're welcome piranna.
[QUOTE=nastabasta] just because you have some flu-like symptoms doesn't mean that you have the flu. [/QUOTE]

Then how is the flu diagnosed in a person if not by flu-like symptoms?
torch and anyone else who cares to know,

most of the time when people think they have the flu, they actually don't. they just have a really bad cold. if you have the flu, you feel a lot worse and most likely can't even get out of bed. you only have the flu if you are infected by the influenza virus.

as for your question about how the flu is diagnosed other than by flu-like symptoms:

one method of diagnosing the flu is by introducing the influenza virus (the virus that causes the flu) to a blue -colored polymer solution. when the virus binds to the blue solution, it causes it color to change to red because it absorbs blue light and reflects red light. so if a color change , from blue to red, is observed you know you've got the influenza virus rather than a rhinovirus (the virus that causes the common cold).


and that is how you can have flu-like symptoms and not the flu. you might be exhibiting symptoms of a bad cold, or another condition altogether.
hope that answers your question.
Interesting!

I've been diagnosed with the "flu" several times in my life but not one single time did the doctor taking that sort of approach before giving me his diagnosis.

The diagnosis was sole based on my symptoms.

The flu shot contains the very strains of flu virus of the season.

If within a week to ten days after having received the shot, you would display flu-like symptoms and you were to go to your doctor, and if he were not aware that you had received the flu shot, he would certainly diagnose you with the flu.

On the other hand, if you mention having had the flu shot, the diagnosis would be a severe cold.
i never said that YOUR doctor uses that method to find out if you have the flu.
i just answered your question. you had asked how one can know for sure that they have the flu, other than going by their symptoms. i told you about one way that can be done.
why are you being beligerent?
Great point torch....MAKES SENSE!!!



[QUOTE=1970_Torch]Interesting!

I've been diagnosed with the "flu" several times in my life but not one single time did the doctor taking that sort of approach before giving me his diagnosis.

The diagnosis was sole based on my symptoms.

The flu shot contains the very strains of flu virus of the season.

If within a week to ten days after having received the shot, you would display flu-like symptoms and you were to go to your doctor, and if he were not aware that you had received the flu shot, he would certainly diagnose you with the flu.

On the other hand, if you mention having had the flu shot, the diagnosis would be a severe cold.[/QUOTE]
torch,
i never said that YOUR doctor uses that method to diagnose your flu,
i was just answering your question. your question was how is the flu diagnoses if not by the symptoms? i answered by explaining one method.
Perhaps, nastabasta, ONLY your doctor uses the method you've described here?

Doobee....how about your doctor? Does he go to that sort of extremes to diagnose a flu?

[b]Anyone else?[/b] I am just curious.

But since I've been informed now, I am wondering, maybe I have a dysfunctional doctor and should look for one that goes through elaborate tests in order to diagnose the flu?

[b]Come to think of it, the last time *I* had "flu-like symptoms" was about 3 days AFTER a flu shot. [/b]

May not have been the flu but [b]*I* DIFINITELY HAD FLU-LIKE SYMPTOMS.[/b]

If at that time *I* would have gone to my dysfunctional doc (or perhaps a different one), not letting him know that I had actually had the flu shot, [b]*I* bet *he* would any one of them would have diagnosed me as having the flu.[/b]

Just goes to show....ya can't trust em!
hey torch,

i'm not a doctor. and i don't necessarily trust my doctor all the time. you make me sound so naive!
but once again, i was just answering your question. i was not attacking you nor saying that your doctor is incompetent.

there are lots of diagnostic tools out there that doctors have at their disposal and sometimes they choose to use them and sometimes they don't. but the point is that there is no cure for the flu virus anyway. plus it's not life threatening in a normal, healthy adult. that's probably why doctors don't go through all the trouble of running diagnostic tests for people like you and me every time we turn up with flu-like symptoms. if they did, the cost of healthcare would skyrocket and would be even more insane than it is now.

now, if i had an immunocomprised child or was caring for an elderly person, i would insist that my doctor be more thorough. but i'm a healthy adult , so i can just stay in bed for a week and hope for the best.
you may have noticed that doctors more readily perform diagnostic tests for conditions for which there are cures or for those that are life-threatening. for example, if you take your child to the doctor with a sore throat, i hope that your doctor does a swab test to determine if she has strep, before giving her antibiotics that treat strep.

just out of curiosity, you said that the last time you had flu-like symptoms was when you had a flu shot. why did you get one if you don't think it works?

oh well, take care.
No nastabasta, I don't think you are naive! Quite to the contrary.

Gosh, I wrote a reply and now it's not here. What happened?

Anyway, I had the flu shot about 10 yr ago, when I had to do a lot of traveling and *I* was still naive.
I had flu-like symptoms soon after it and have never gotten the flu shot again.

Generally I am a very healthy person and actually never get sick, so well perhaps it was a coincidence? Who's to say?

I think that maybe we've exhausted this subject and wanted to call a truce between us. What do you say?
agreed!!
obviously we are both intelligent people and very stubborn too :)
we just happen to have different opinions about some things. that's ok. we can agree to disagree.
btw, i have only had the flu shot once and i only got it because i have asthma and i'm a pre school teacher so i get sick all the time from the kids' germs.

take care.
Ok party people...there is virtually no way in hell to get the flu from the shot. Now...I know some of you think science to me bullshwag, and if so, don't even contact me.

There are 4 types of vaccine, all of which work with the flu. They are:

Live
Dead
Recombinant
Toxoid


Killed: Take a form of the organism, IE, the flu, kill it 4 times past dead and inject it. A killed vaccine provides the weekest ammunity and your likely hood of contracting the flu later in the season.

Live: One of most effective- Place the organism in a tissue culture and allow it to multiply. Through natural selection and mutation, the virus will eventually become anable to cause sickness. You then inject that. There is a slight chance of this vaccine mutating back into the viral form, although very rare. It only happened once in history, back in 1918.

Recombinant: Take some organism....anything microscopic will do, pull out a section of it's DNA and replace it with the anogenic DNA of the virus. Extreemly strong immunity and NO CHANCE OF GETTING FLU

Toxoid: Inject the toxin from the flu virus rather than the virus itself. NO CHANCE OF GETTING FLU.

Congrats...if you live in the US, you will, more than likely, receive a Recombinant or Toxoid injection.


Thank you!

Matt
Parasitologist

P.S. All you folks who say that a virus isn't alive...we'll...your wrong. A virus is alive when it can infect you, it is dead when it can't.
thanks matt. i totally agree with you.
You may not get the flu from the flu shot BUT, you'll more than likely get SICK from it!!!!
I think the medical community likes to call the illness that you can get after a flu shot 'coincedence' or something like that...........................No thanks!!!!!
[QUOTE=Doobeedoobeedoo]You may not get the flu from the flu shot BUT, you'll more than likely get SICK from it!!!!
I think the medical community likes to call the illness that you can get after a flu shot 'coincedence' or something like that...........................No thanks!!!!![/QUOTE]


Or a 'reaction' to those fine ingredients like aluminum, phenol, antifreeze, mercury, etc. ?





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