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i'm sure you have read my other posts in the arguments about vaccines thread. i'd just like to restate that i am not entirely opposed to vaccinations, but i think it is irresponsible of the medical community to vaccinate immediately at birth and periodically throughout infancy when a child's immune system, skeletal system and cerebral system are underdeveloped and immature.

first of all, if you have not experienced an infection or flare up of chicken pox, menengitis or the flu, hep B or any other disease, in the environments you live in on a daily basis, it is unlikely that your child would because you haven't but also because...

second, if YOU have been vaccinated for these diseases, or contracted them at some point (for example, chicken pox, flu, etc.) then you pass immunity on to your child if you breastfeed (known as passively aquired immunity) and this is sustained until breastfeeding has ceased. many infants become sick because the mother
*does not breastfeed at all (some women can't, i understand this, one of my closest friends was unable to breast feed her third child),
*breastfeeds but also includes juices or worse, soda (high in sugar which creates a highly favorable environment in the gut/intestines for infection)
*or includes other liquids and even other foods into an infant's diet before 6 months of age (according to La Leche League, a child can survive, quite happily and satisfied on breast milk alone for at least 6 months, and i personally lived in Africa for several months, working in villages were mothers soley breastfed their children for at least 6 months, and continued to breast feed for up to a year or more while introducing new foods. incidentally, actress helen hunt is still breastfeeding her 1 and 1/2 year old).
*or the mother stops breastfeeding early (weeks or months after birth)

third, many of the diseases that infants and children are *suggested* to be vaccinated against are not deadly, are reversible and treatable. while it is true that an infant has an immature immune, skeletal and cerebral system, the cold/flu, chicken pox, etc. are still treatable. and even very harmful diseases such as menengitis, the child will receive passively aquired immunity from breastfeeding. even if you are not breastfeeding...

four, vaccination deliberately bypasses the first four stages of defense (1) the skin, (2) the mucous membranes, (3) the gut lymphoids and (4) the lymphatic system (kidneys, liver, spleen, lymph nodes, etc.) and deposits the vaccine (some which include neurotoxins, like thimerosal and others, as well as some that include only partially deactivated antigens) directly into the blood stream of a newborn or infant, giving it immediate circulation throughout the entire body (brain, lungs, limbs, organs, etc.) of an immature baby. this seems ludicris to me.

lastly, as i stated before, many in the medical community have admitted that the medical community is still unaware of what antibodies are good for, except to show that something has entered the system of a human being. they do not provide or prove or establish immunity. so to assume that vaccines are effective, or more alarmingly to assume they are safe, because of the presence of antibodies, is ignorant and irresponsible.

for all these reasons i would wait until you're child is significantly more developed to pursue vaccines. also, please realize that when you were born, you did not receive nearly as many vaccines or at such an early age, (this is easily accessible public information about the change in vaccination schedules over the years) and you are just fine. also, even in the past 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, much more has been learned and instituted as far as general health, hygiene and safety, preventing infection for most people in developed nations, and allowing for treatment incase of infection, despite vaccines. many of them today seem, to me, outdated and unnecessary.

best of luck making an informed decision.

if you have the time, or care to, read the article "Death By Lethal Vaccine Injection", it's one woman's personal account, very compelling.
i'm really impressed with how carefully you are considering all the issues - you're a good mama!

i can't remember if i mentioned (i have elsewhere, at least) that i have a friend my age (mid twenties) who was crippled and disfigured by the DTP vaccine. he was a healthy infant, completely normal, and it disfigured every thing from the neck down and stunted his growth, he has been in an electric wheelchair ever since, and receiving government stipends. this really scares me, personally. he actually contracted polio from the vaccine. it is miraculous that he is completely normal in his facial structure, skull and is perfectly normal (as normal as you can be in his situation) mentally. the whole thing is very sad to me.

as far as the hep b goes, i could only imagine a child younger than 6 getting it if they are born to a mother who already has it, or born to a mother/family that has a lifestyle which increases the risk. if a friend of the family has hep b, it's unlikely that the child would share drinks or kisses with them unless the friend is really close to the family (more like a family member). personally, i will not vaccinate for hep b, at least until they are 10 or older. i was not vaccinated for it until i was a senior in highschool, and only because i was moving overseas.

overall, i would honestly suggest waiting until the child is at least 3 to begin any vaccination. dyptheria and thyphoid are practically non existent in the united states, mostly because of increased understanding of germs, contamination and infection of the past few decades. as far as polio and menengitis (i know the DTP can't be broken up) i would really research the risks and how a person or child is most likely to contract it (conditions, environment, sensitivities, etc.) and make a judgement of whether it would really be necessary at such a young age if the child will be with you and in your home almost 100% of the time.

overall, i have known too many people in my life (my friend in the wheel chair for example, as well as several friends both overseas and in the states who have huge divots in their arms from a local infection caused by a vaccination) and autistic children i worked with in highschool, that it just seems to me the risk is too great to assault the immune system of an infant or toddler like that. the CDC, FDA and pharmaceutical companies call it a risk "for the greater good". the numbers of children negatively affected by vaccines (mild irriations, seizures, autism and death) is staggeringly high (in the thousands per vaccination, and vaccinations are given daily, so this number is incredibly high) for the sake of the small few who inspite of greater awareness of cleanliness, hygeine, infections, etc. since vaccine schedules began, despite the majority being born to mothers or into families who have very low risk for the serious infections (polio, hep b, etc) might possibly by some weird random chance contract something. while those few children who might possibly contract something if they weren't vaccinated (at least not at an early age) and their families might be devastated if it did happen, hundreds of thousand more a year are devastated by the seizures, autsim and death.

i feel like "the greater good" harms more children than the number that would contract something if there were no vaccinations, especially in this day and age. unfortunately, there is an ocean of cover up because the pharmaceutical companies would crumble and the FDA officials would be exposed (they already are, there are plenty of publicly accessible documents) but after being told for decades that "this is what good mothers do", it's a hard pill to swallow that it could actually be dangerous. i think there are way more negative reactions to vaccines than are reported because doctors often swallow what they are told by sales reps from the drug companies and pass it on to parents telling them it's safe and it was just a freak reaction or something unrelated, so the parents are made to feel paranoid or irresponsible. and the article "Death By Lethal Vaccine Injection" sheds some light on the lack of blame placed on vaccines in the autopsies of babies who died from SIDS. this is a hot topic, as well. the author of the article encourages anyone who doubts to read the reports for themselves - there is a shockingly high number of babies who die from SIDS at 2, 4 and 6 months (the CDC and NIH even say this) which is exactly when most babies are scheduled for vaccines. i'm not saying vaccines are the only cause, but i think it's significant enough and shameful the way it is never discussed or questioned.

anyway, more of my 2 cents. more like 35 cents.

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