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Isn't it amazing how people suddenly feel they can make better decisions for your child than you can when it comes to immunizations?

I have 5 children. The various times we've had to visit the dr I have been asked if my child is caught up on his/her immunizations. I always tell them we do not immunize for personal reasons. The only time we have been badgered is when my oldest three became ill with pertussis (the "p" part of the DTP or DTaP). That was 6 years ago and we have never had anyone have a problem with it since.

If you plan on sending your child to daycare or public school you may be pressured at that point. Many daycares won't accept children that aren't immunized. The school may tell you the same but most states allow parents to sign a waiver form (you'll have to see what the laws are for your state). We homeschool and I'm able to stay home with my children so we haven't had to deal with that.

I know many people who don't immunize and I've found one thing in common amongst us...we avoid the subject like the plague :) . The easiest way to deal with friends and family is not to tell them. If the subject has already been brought up tell them you feel it's a private decision one way or the other and you don't feel it needs to be discussed.

Just to reassure you it usually becomes old hat with the family. After a while it's not such a big deal anymore and they let it go.

You should know also that you do have options. It's not just a matter of immunizing or not. I know people who only vaccinate against certain illnesses and not others. I know people who will only immunize after the age of 2 and I know people who only immunize after 6 months but only with certain vaccines. I also know families that will immunize one child, choose certain ones for another and then not immunize another child (they believe each child has different needs and they base their schedule on what they feel is best for that individual child).

I believe you are responsible for your child's well-being. The best thing you can do is educate yourself as much as possible about vaccinations. Do not make a decision out of fear one way or the other but out of earnestness for what you believe is right. Also, never feel that you ever have to explain your position to anyone...you don't.

I do plan on informing my children as they grow about vaccinations. It will be their decision if they want to be vaccinated as young adults.

How odd that parents who don't immunize their children get blamed for being "undeducated". I know so many moms who take their children in to be vaccinated and they have no idea what the child is being vaccinated against or what exactly is in the vaccine.

An informed decision is always the best decision. Knowledge replaces fear with power.

Love and Prayers, Kelly

P.S. Just so you know I don't advocate vaccinating or not vaccinating. Even though we have decided not to vaccinate I fully support parents who have decided to immunize their children. The only "wrong" decision is the decision to go against what you feel is best...one way or the other. It's also not wrong to "change your mind" down the road. Circumstances change and we have to be open to going a different direction sometimes.
If you choose not to get your child immunized that does not mean you are a bad parent or a poorly educated person. You are doing this because you are the parent and the one that is able to make this kind of decision, and the idea of doing this is making you very uncomfortable. I can see where you are coming from ,in a sense, since they do require quite a bit of vaccinations from birth to age 5. I do feel it is just a precaution measurement because if just one child gets whooping cough, this disease is easily spread and can cause an epidemic of childhood deaths.

I chose to vaccinate my children as an added precaution to avoid the exposure of illness in their childhood years when they enter school. Children's immune systems are not strong enoguh to fight these conditions and most often result in death. I feel that it is too risky not to have my kid's immunized when I think about the consequences of refraining from doing it.

It is still your choice to not submit your kid's to these vaccinations and it is unfair for anyone to make you feel incompetent because of that reason. Don't allow others to sway or ridicule the decisions, because it is none of their business.
i just hope that none of you actually live in mn,we have four confirmed cases of polio here.while I can understand that you have to do what you feel as a parent is the best thing for your child,not vaccinating is the reason that these cases are now showing up here.The four children that have it were never vaccinated.this does not just affect you and you children,this can have an affect on those of us with children with weakened immune systems due to cancer/chemo,transplants,HIV/AIDS and a host of other really nasty immunosuppressing conditions.Your non vaccinated children can compromise the health of many many other innocent people.the actual risks of not vaccinating and the resulting conditions are far worse than just having it done.Sure there ARE indeed risks in vaccinating but they are much lower than just taking your child out for a ride to the grocery store or even just being in the home,where most accidents happen.

honestly,i am not here to lecture you,but quite honestly,it IS the people that have vaccinated their children that is giving you the idea that the risks of not vaccinating are low,in reality,with so much world wide travel and the fact that we have so many people living here,or just coming and going into our country that are bringing with them all kinds of diseases that,in this country,were practically non existant,that the risks to your children right now, are much much higher than you think.polio,who would have possibly thought that in this day and age,it could possibly be showing up.but unfortunetly,it is alive and well.i really do think you need to rethink some of the reasons that you chose not to vaccinate,honestly,i would hate to hear that anyones child becomes ill and dies or becomes severely disabled from something that could have been prevented with a shot.i almost lost my son once,trust me,you do not want to go there.just some thoughts.i am not trying to slam anyone for their decisions but thought you really needed to know this latest news.things are only going to get much worse for our children,not better,with regard to what god awful crap is really out there.FB
Why is it that you assume that those who DO vaccinate are not educated and are just blindly following the crowd?i did alot of research before I let my children become vaccinated,really.We are not stupid people who just don't know any better so we just do what evrybody else does,trust me.while those people ARE indeed out there,i would not presume that we are uneducated because we chose to protect our children from what could be some very very devistating threats to their health.i chose to vaccinate after weighing all of the benefits over the very small risks.i could find alot of research done that really supported the need to protect my children but amazingly could not really find any 'real' actual factual research that supported any of the 'presumed" affects that the vaccinations were perported to be causing,really.while some children have indeed had some very extreme reactions to the vaccines,those cases are the big exception and not the rule.you can have reactions,some extremely life threatening by taking an antibiotic for something as simple as strep throat,and this is much more likely to actually happen than to have that extreme reaction that some children will actually have to being given the vaccines.Trust me, I AM educated,and did the best possible thing for my children.Seeing these new cases of polio popping up really really makes me even more sure that I did make the right decision.I am not stupid,and did not decide to vaccinate just because someone told me to.marcia
I don't think that the parents of the children that were killed or damaged by the vaccines would agree with you that it was a small risk. A survey in 7 states showed that only 18% of drs. said they would make a report when there was a problem following a vaccination. (source-national vaccine information center) How can we have a true sense of how "safe" they are if those things are not reported?
Believe me when I say,i am totally empathetic to those parents really,it is really sad what happens to some vaccinated children.as the mother of a chronically ill child,believe me,i am extremely careful about anything and everything that goes into either one of my children.unfortunetly,there are no guarentees in life you know?everything we do and our children do all have possible risks attatched to them.all we can do is educate ourselves and hope we make the right decisions.i have seen shows like an episode of 20/20 that was on about ten years ago that really scared the crap outta me.it was about this subject,and the horrible reactions that these children had had to childhood vaccinations.it really did scare me to know that I put something like that into my child,but after reading like everything i could actually get my hands on ,mostly thru my doc and my childrens ped doc and the local library.(unfortunetly we did not have the internet back then)i came to the conclusion that I had done the right thing,really.I had researched this subject to some degree before my kids were vaccinated,and I did feel okay with it.but when I did even more research,after seeing that 20/20 episode,It really DID make me feel that i had made the right choice.the thing is,life in general is actually one big huge risk.but there are certain things that we have to do as parents in order to minimize those risks whenever possible.They now have yet another confirmed case of polio here that just showed up in another family.doesn't that scare you at all?when the risks of not vaccinating really overwhelm the possible risks of actually doing it,doesn't that even make you want to re think the decision,at least a little bit?some of the not vaccintaed children will face bigger risks if some of these diseases show up in them during adult hood.my husband became extremely ill with measles when he contracted it at age 22.he almost lost his eyesight from it and we were also told that his fertility could possibly have been affected.Luckily it was not and we had two children.it was not til then that i found out that his mother never really took him in to be vaccinated on the regular schedule when he was a child.since my son is now immunosuppressed due to transplant,we have to be very careful of certain things.my husband was given injections to get him immune,hopefully.the vaccinations actually have less chance of seroconverting in adulthood than when done in childhood.This whole issue is just so scarey every way you look at it.i did not come here to slam anyone,just to let you know that things that were thought to be gone are back.unfortunetly,i think the new polio re emergence is just the beginning of what may lie ahead for our kids.sad but true.marcia
Do you know where the polio strain that these children have came from? It is a mutated version from a live polio vaccine. The vaccine that was touted as "safe" for years. Five years ago it was decided that now its not safe.These children have no signs of paralytic polio, in fact the polio was diganosed beacuse other tests had been run on the original infant. The other four cases were discovered because of voluntary stool samples provided by the affected community, they have no symptoms.

Would you agree with me that chicken pox is relatively harmless in children but as one grows older the effects can be so much worse? What is the point of supressing it now only to be affected by it when an adult? I have a sister who had pertussis as an inant. It was rough, no doubt about it, but now she has permanent immunity. No vaccine can guarantee that. I come form a family of eight and none of the rest of us caught it.

I do not mean to insult you but honestly what kind of info did you think you would get from your dr? Do you think that they would tell you anything other than the usual rhetoric?

In the end like you said it is a personal decision and every parent has the right to do what they feel is best for their children. I have 3 kids, one of whom has a chronic medical condition, and I will do what I feel is best to protect them.
Vaccinations can protect children against certain illnesses, but they are not guaranteed to keep them safe...people usually vaccinate their children, but there are those children who will have a negative reaction to the vaccine. Because vaccines are effective in MOST children, it is assumed that they are perfectly safe and that all children will react exactly the same, but there are some who can very well contract the ailment which they were vaccinated against. I know it can happen with absolutely any illness...it all depends on the individual's body.

I think, though, getting children vaccinated before they enter school is a wise idea...so many kids in one room is like a room full of sicknesses waiting to happen.
Unfortunetly,way back when,the doc and the library,reading the medical journals,WERE the only options availiable to us parents.there was no internet or anything like we have availiable to us now.it was not easy to get ANY info on anything 'medical" unless you dove into the medical journals and other material that was availiable.i don't really think I would have gotten any 'good' information if I had only went by what the drug manufacturer stated in it's literature.Thank god for the internet,you know?

i agree with you totally about the vaccinations before school,espescially now,with so many foreigners who are coming into this country bringing with them viruses and diseases the likes of which ,in some cases,we have never seen here or have not seen in like decades.thats just plain scarey.
when my son was still going to high school,every single time that there was a case of chicken pox found in any student or teacher(did happen once)I got an immediate phone call from the school nurse to let me know so I we could assess the risk and decide whether or not to pull him from certain classes or even keep him at home.or if there was any possible viral illness running amock, we would have more chats.The world is scarey enough when you have normal healthy children,but when you have one that is immunosuppressed,that scarey can really turn to terror at times you know?

i just feel that when there so many possible things out there that can hurt our children that we have absolutely no control over,if there is any way to minimize any sort of possibly devistating risk to their health by giving injections that (yes do have a very minimal risk)will help to remove or lessen the risk it just should be done.

unfortunetly,this world that we live in is becomming more and more scarey as time goes by.Marcia
Feelbad and Babyluv - I have a hard time with what you're saying. If immunizations are effective, why are you concerned with the non-immunized kids causing a wide-spread epidemic amongst everyone else (the majority of whom are immunized)? The fear for parents who choose not to immunize is the other way around - immunized kids actually have the virus in their systems... NOT the non-immunized. As dannysmom mentioned, the non-immunized kids who have been positively diagnosed with polio, most likely contracted it from a carrier of polio - someone who received it straight into their blood stream, whether it was an adult or a child. Polio doesn't just sit in a gutter for some kid to catch when they are splashing in puddles, and they most likely didn't contract it from a pet dog when they were playing with it. They had to have contracted it from a source that was hosting it. Anyone who has been vaccinated with the Polio vaccine is a carrier - it is in their system, whether or not it shows up through physical disabilities.

Non-immunized children do not spread disease - there is no disease in them to spread, until they get infected by someone who has it, and how did that person get it? Most likely from being immunized. What a brilliant idea - pay money and risk your child's health and well-being by diliberately injecting antigens into their blood stream and expect their immature and underdeveloped immune system to fight back.

I think this is a major point for parents who choose to not immunize. I will most likely immunize my children when they are 7 or 8 years old or more, after their bodies are more developed, but not earlier. Immunizations bypass the first FOUR natural systems of defense (the skin, the muscus membranes, the gut lymphoid system, and the rest of the entire lymph system) and deliberately place an antigen directly into the blood stream of a child whose organs and immune system are underdeveloped and immature. The mere presence of antibodies in no way proves effectiveness of a vaccine, or immune protection against a specific antigen. Doctors and scientists/biologist readily admit they do not know what antibodies do, what their purpose or their function is. To assume that because a vaccine causes a certain reaction of antibodies, that a person and even more so a child or infant is then "protected", is blind reasoning, based on documented medical and scientific studies. These can be found if you look in the right places (can't post them).

An excellent resource is Dr. Sherri Tenpenny - she is probably the foremost expert on vaccinations. Personally, I have two friends who were negatively affected by vaccines, one who contracted polio at the time of the vaccination, another who was also born perfectly healthy but after a specific vaccine, his physical development stopped and began to deform. He is now physically deformed from the chest down, is in an electric wheel chair and receives stipends from the US gov't for the rest of his life because of it (he cannot work or take care of himself). I have several friends who have huge divots in their arm from a vaccine they received as a child that destroyed the skin at the sight of the injection. I personally have experienced painfully swollen limbs, tingling, extreme burning and discomfort at the sight of injection and in that limb after receiving "normal" booster vaccines AS AN ADULT. In my own life and from my own personal experience and research, this overwhelmingly leads me to decide to never subject my own infant, baby or young child to these risks when their body is young and underdeveloped.

The pharmaceutical industry calls the tragic cases of children who are permanently damaged or worse, the children who die, from vaccines "for the greater good". Because it is considered (rightfully so) unethical to test the safety and efficacy of vaccines on children, the only means of knowing is strictly observational - meaning do it anyway and see what happens. If it's "bad enough" then something will change but otherwise, it's "for the greater good". Well, who decides it's bad enough? The parents who "wisely" trusted their doctors and nurses (who know as little, if not less than the parents about the safety and efficacy, and merely repeat what pharmaceutical sales reps have told them about their vaccine they convinced them to purchase and use - YES, pharmaceutical companies all have all of the same vaccines and compete in sales...Why do you think dr.s offices are stocked to overflowing with branded pens?) Parents whose children suffer adverse effects or worse, die from vaccines don't decide when it's "bad enough", and the children of the world continue to be the observational guinea pigs for the safety of vaccines. For those who have already been negatively affected or have died, their "observational" results came too late. Personally, I will not willingly allow my child to be a test and risk the possibility of them becoming a statistic "for the greater good".

Another thought to consider is if vaccines are supposed to work by deliberately placing an antigen into the bloodstream and "letting it loose" so to speak, and waiting and hoping the immune system will do its job (which is actually still pretty vague in the medical community), what is the difference between injecting the flu virus into the blood stream (who HASN'T gotten the flu (or what doctors say are "symptoms" of the flu, as if that makes the fact that the virus is in your system and your body is reacting as in... you have the flu... any less real than actually "having the flu"...it's just semantics) after receiving a flu vaccine?) What difference does it make to have it injected into your bloodstream and having "symptoms" and getting sick anyway ("that shows it's working!") or just waiting for it to somehow manage to bypass your first for God-given symptoms of defense and make you sick? It's not really different. This isn't necessarily the case with all vaccines, but a majority of them make no difference, symptomatically speaking.

Other things to consider are:

(1) the observable (if it's a good enough method for the pharmaceutical companies, why isn't it good enough for those challenging them?) rise of autism (a very easily linked side effect of vaccinations) in the human population (specifically western cultures) since vaccine schedules were implimented early in the 20th century, AND the serious LACK of autism in Amish communities (only 3 documented cases when, statistically speaking there should have been hundreds, and all three of them received vaccines - one was adopted from China and received vaccines before she was sent to the US, the second was a mennonite child whose parents were pressured by local health officials coming to their door on more than one occasion, and the third family could not be located)) who very stringently do not vaccinate their children.

(2) the observable link between vaccinations received at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months, and the overwhelming majority of SIDS cases occuring at those times, when children have received vaccines (this can actually be documented by examining publicly available death certificates of infants from your local morgue, whose deaths are listed as SIDS and under "Cause of death" a photocopy of "Adverse Reactions" from a vaccine has been attached.

For all these reasons, parents choose not to vaccinate their children.
Hello Lynn. dont feel bad for not vaccinating your baby. Peopleneed to be more aware of the dangers they can cause our children. Just stand firm on your position what ever it may be. I also do not vaccinate and I have a vaccine injured 3 yr old aslo. I have not vaccinated my youngest 2 and they are perfectly healthy. vaccines should be a parents total choic. now matter what anyone decides Please read and learn about them before making a decision. EVIDENCE OF HARM is a great book about vaccine injurys I totally reccomend it. If I had researched and know then what I do now I would have a healthy child without permanante damage.
I homeschool my children as well. They are not up to date on their shots. They have had them up to the age of 1 and 2. They are 4 and 5 now. My biggest concern was when my oldest came down with a high fever and chills shortly after having one of her shots. The dr said the shot had nothing to do with it. Sorry but she was perfectly fine until she got the shot. I was pissed. My oldest had to go through speech therapy and is a slow learner. My youngest did not get the shot that she got and she is fine. However....with all that has been going on in this world I hate to say I don't feel safe in my own country. I know that the mercury was taken out of vaccinations a good while back but a report had been made that many drs were using whatever they had left on their patients to save money. Our pediatrician was a now it all and never let me speak. Not to mention he was middle eastern. He made me so mad trying to belittle me for not getting them immunized and stated that they were afraid of him because of hidden problems at home.
Hell...they were afraid of him because he spoke weird and was not very kid friendly. He said the same exact thing to my brother when he took his little girl in to get checked. My brother never went back and found my niece a better dr. I did the same as well.
I am hoping that now that my girls are older that maybe the vaccinations will be easier on them. They are around lots of kids during the week. Ballet on Mondays, church on Wednesdays, field trip days with other homeschoolers, and family members.

If any parent choses to not immunize then that is their choice and nobody should give them a hard time for it. Those of you that do immunize...good for you....you do not see non immunized parents criticizing you for doing it. It is their choice..let them be at peace with it.

I too had no clue what all the shots were for when my girls were infants. I just knew that when one of them fell very ill I wanted nothing to do with vaccinations. Now I feel like I need to take that chance so that they don't contract anything from all the foreiners that are being allowed to come into this country.
Our beloved familiy physician (who never, ever pushed for vaccines) retired. I cried! He was fantastic. So, I thought perhaps we found a new one. [b]In front of me[/b] the doctor said to my children, "We have vaccines that will prevent very dangerous diseases, but your mom will not allow me to give the medicine to you."

That witch deserves to have her medical license revoked.

I immediately stated, "Those medicines have also maimed and killed children."

She looked at me and said, "The overwhelming evidence proves the safety and effectiveness of vaccines."

Then, I asked, "If anything goes wrong, will you take responsibility?"

She simply replied, "I can't guarantee the safety of anything on earth."

Exactly. So, until a doctor guarantees a procedure or medicine, all he should do is recommend, not push or belittle as though the results are guaranteed. They're not.
report her to the AMA chapter in your state and never see this witch again.she does not have any special right to terrorize and or traumatize little children.what she did was really appalling and just very very wrong in many ways,she needs a good 'talking to" by someone from the AMA.really.i would call them as soon as possible and file a complaint.who knows just how she is treating other children,espescially if she is ever alone with them.i certainly hope you seek out a 'real" doc for your children.how flippin stupid.and scarey.FB
[QUOTE=feelbad]report her to the AMA chapter in your state and never see this witch again.she does not have any special right to terrorize and or traumatize little children.what she did was really appalling and just very very wrong in many ways,she needs a good 'talking to" by someone from the AMA.really.i would call them as soon as possible and file a complaint.who knows just how she is treating other children,espescially if she is ever alone with them.i certainly hope you seek out a 'real" doc for your children.how flippin stupid.and scarey.FB[/QUOTE]

Oh, I absolutely never returned to her or her office! I never thought about reporting her to the AMA, but that's actually a good thought. The problem is that the incident occurred about two or three years ago (though I always keep my appointment books for years past, so I could actually go through and find the date).

I'll admit that the majority of doctors probably do recommend vaccines, but until they all do unequivocally and can all guarantee the results, their opinions are just that: their opinions.





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