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Isn't it amazing how people suddenly feel they can make better decisions for your child than you can when it comes to immunizations?

I have 5 children. The various times we've had to visit the dr I have been asked if my child is caught up on his/her immunizations. I always tell them we do not immunize for personal reasons. The only time we have been badgered is when my oldest three became ill with pertussis (the "p" part of the DTP or DTaP). That was 6 years ago and we have never had anyone have a problem with it since.

If you plan on sending your child to daycare or public school you may be pressured at that point. Many daycares won't accept children that aren't immunized. The school may tell you the same but most states allow parents to sign a waiver form (you'll have to see what the laws are for your state). We homeschool and I'm able to stay home with my children so we haven't had to deal with that.

I know many people who don't immunize and I've found one thing in common amongst us...we avoid the subject like the plague :) . The easiest way to deal with friends and family is not to tell them. If the subject has already been brought up tell them you feel it's a private decision one way or the other and you don't feel it needs to be discussed.

Just to reassure you it usually becomes old hat with the family. After a while it's not such a big deal anymore and they let it go.

You should know also that you do have options. It's not just a matter of immunizing or not. I know people who only vaccinate against certain illnesses and not others. I know people who will only immunize after the age of 2 and I know people who only immunize after 6 months but only with certain vaccines. I also know families that will immunize one child, choose certain ones for another and then not immunize another child (they believe each child has different needs and they base their schedule on what they feel is best for that individual child).

I believe you are responsible for your child's well-being. The best thing you can do is educate yourself as much as possible about vaccinations. Do not make a decision out of fear one way or the other but out of earnestness for what you believe is right. Also, never feel that you ever have to explain your position to anyone...you don't.

I do plan on informing my children as they grow about vaccinations. It will be their decision if they want to be vaccinated as young adults.

How odd that parents who don't immunize their children get blamed for being "undeducated". I know so many moms who take their children in to be vaccinated and they have no idea what the child is being vaccinated against or what exactly is in the vaccine.

An informed decision is always the best decision. Knowledge replaces fear with power.

Love and Prayers, Kelly

P.S. Just so you know I don't advocate vaccinating or not vaccinating. Even though we have decided not to vaccinate I fully support parents who have decided to immunize their children. The only "wrong" decision is the decision to go against what you feel is best...one way or the other. It's also not wrong to "change your mind" down the road. Circumstances change and we have to be open to going a different direction sometimes.
Feelbad and Babyluv - I have a hard time with what you're saying. If immunizations are effective, why are you concerned with the non-immunized kids causing a wide-spread epidemic amongst everyone else (the majority of whom are immunized)? The fear for parents who choose not to immunize is the other way around - immunized kids actually have the virus in their systems... NOT the non-immunized. As dannysmom mentioned, the non-immunized kids who have been positively diagnosed with polio, most likely contracted it from a carrier of polio - someone who received it straight into their blood stream, whether it was an adult or a child. Polio doesn't just sit in a gutter for some kid to catch when they are splashing in puddles, and they most likely didn't contract it from a pet dog when they were playing with it. They had to have contracted it from a source that was hosting it. Anyone who has been vaccinated with the Polio vaccine is a carrier - it is in their system, whether or not it shows up through physical disabilities.

Non-immunized children do not spread disease - there is no disease in them to spread, until they get infected by someone who has it, and how did that person get it? Most likely from being immunized. What a brilliant idea - pay money and risk your child's health and well-being by diliberately injecting antigens into their blood stream and expect their immature and underdeveloped immune system to fight back.

I think this is a major point for parents who choose to not immunize. I will most likely immunize my children when they are 7 or 8 years old or more, after their bodies are more developed, but not earlier. Immunizations bypass the first FOUR natural systems of defense (the skin, the muscus membranes, the gut lymphoid system, and the rest of the entire lymph system) and deliberately place an antigen directly into the blood stream of a child whose organs and immune system are underdeveloped and immature. The mere presence of antibodies in no way proves effectiveness of a vaccine, or immune protection against a specific antigen. Doctors and scientists/biologist readily admit they do not know what antibodies do, what their purpose or their function is. To assume that because a vaccine causes a certain reaction of antibodies, that a person and even more so a child or infant is then "protected", is blind reasoning, based on documented medical and scientific studies. These can be found if you look in the right places (can't post them).

An excellent resource is Dr. Sherri Tenpenny - she is probably the foremost expert on vaccinations. Personally, I have two friends who were negatively affected by vaccines, one who contracted polio at the time of the vaccination, another who was also born perfectly healthy but after a specific vaccine, his physical development stopped and began to deform. He is now physically deformed from the chest down, is in an electric wheel chair and receives stipends from the US gov't for the rest of his life because of it (he cannot work or take care of himself). I have several friends who have huge divots in their arm from a vaccine they received as a child that destroyed the skin at the sight of the injection. I personally have experienced painfully swollen limbs, tingling, extreme burning and discomfort at the sight of injection and in that limb after receiving "normal" booster vaccines AS AN ADULT. In my own life and from my own personal experience and research, this overwhelmingly leads me to decide to never subject my own infant, baby or young child to these risks when their body is young and underdeveloped.

The pharmaceutical industry calls the tragic cases of children who are permanently damaged or worse, the children who die, from vaccines "for the greater good". Because it is considered (rightfully so) unethical to test the safety and efficacy of vaccines on children, the only means of knowing is strictly observational - meaning do it anyway and see what happens. If it's "bad enough" then something will change but otherwise, it's "for the greater good". Well, who decides it's bad enough? The parents who "wisely" trusted their doctors and nurses (who know as little, if not less than the parents about the safety and efficacy, and merely repeat what pharmaceutical sales reps have told them about their vaccine they convinced them to purchase and use - YES, pharmaceutical companies all have all of the same vaccines and compete in sales...Why do you think dr.s offices are stocked to overflowing with branded pens?) Parents whose children suffer adverse effects or worse, die from vaccines don't decide when it's "bad enough", and the children of the world continue to be the observational guinea pigs for the safety of vaccines. For those who have already been negatively affected or have died, their "observational" results came too late. Personally, I will not willingly allow my child to be a test and risk the possibility of them becoming a statistic "for the greater good".

Another thought to consider is if vaccines are supposed to work by deliberately placing an antigen into the bloodstream and "letting it loose" so to speak, and waiting and hoping the immune system will do its job (which is actually still pretty vague in the medical community), what is the difference between injecting the flu virus into the blood stream (who HASN'T gotten the flu (or what doctors say are "symptoms" of the flu, as if that makes the fact that the virus is in your system and your body is reacting as in... you have the flu... any less real than actually "having the flu"...it's just semantics) after receiving a flu vaccine?) What difference does it make to have it injected into your bloodstream and having "symptoms" and getting sick anyway ("that shows it's working!") or just waiting for it to somehow manage to bypass your first for God-given symptoms of defense and make you sick? It's not really different. This isn't necessarily the case with all vaccines, but a majority of them make no difference, symptomatically speaking.

Other things to consider are:

(1) the observable (if it's a good enough method for the pharmaceutical companies, why isn't it good enough for those challenging them?) rise of autism (a very easily linked side effect of vaccinations) in the human population (specifically western cultures) since vaccine schedules were implimented early in the 20th century, AND the serious LACK of autism in Amish communities (only 3 documented cases when, statistically speaking there should have been hundreds, and all three of them received vaccines - one was adopted from China and received vaccines before she was sent to the US, the second was a mennonite child whose parents were pressured by local health officials coming to their door on more than one occasion, and the third family could not be located)) who very stringently do not vaccinate their children.

(2) the observable link between vaccinations received at 2 months, 4 months and 6 months, and the overwhelming majority of SIDS cases occuring at those times, when children have received vaccines (this can actually be documented by examining publicly available death certificates of infants from your local morgue, whose deaths are listed as SIDS and under "Cause of death" a photocopy of "Adverse Reactions" from a vaccine has been attached.

For all these reasons, parents choose not to vaccinate their children.
Hello Lynn. dont feel bad for not vaccinating your baby. Peopleneed to be more aware of the dangers they can cause our children. Just stand firm on your position what ever it may be. I also do not vaccinate and I have a vaccine injured 3 yr old aslo. I have not vaccinated my youngest 2 and they are perfectly healthy. vaccines should be a parents total choic. now matter what anyone decides Please read and learn about them before making a decision. EVIDENCE OF HARM is a great book about vaccine injurys I totally reccomend it. If I had researched and know then what I do now I would have a healthy child without permanante damage.





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